German GP: If You Were The FIA....(SPOILER)

[patricko]

Originally Posted by moretti

and the Irish have "always" been great allies of the English

I have a pom passport

[Mitch Alsup]

Me, personally, would ban Ferrari from one GP as penalty for the "completely obvious" team orders. This would send the message to tother teams not to do that.

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by Mitch Alsup

Me, personally, would ban Ferrari from one GP as penalty for the "completely obvious" team orders. This would send the message to tother teams not to do that.

So the issue isn't corruption but obvious corruption? We need a better class of cheaters?

[patricko]

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

So the issue isn't corruption but obvious corruption? We need a better class of cheaters?

I a nutshell, you are correct.

Because they did a terrible job of cheating they have brought the sport into disrepute. The fact that we are still talking about it in such a negative way proves it. For this they must and will be severely punished.

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by patricko

I a nutshell, you are correct.

Because they did a terrible job of cheating they have brought the sport into disrepute. The fact that we are still talking about it in such a negative way proves it. For this they must and will be severely punished.

Embrace the hypocrisy that is F1!
Better to change the rules that make such artifice necessary.

[patricko]

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

Embrace the hypocrisy that is F1!
Better to change the rules that make such artifice necessary.

Well until they change the rules please try to not break them in such an obvious way if you do not want to suffer the consequences...

[kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

So the issue isn't corruption but obvious corruption? We need a better class of cheaters?

Well yes particularly in this case, there is not some conspiracy against Alonso, as some seem to suggest, it is just the manner in which it was done, and anyone with a dislike of Alonso this has only but fueled it.

Ferrari have not had the sporting interest in mind making that call, only there own interests, thats where the problem is IMO.

If Massa wins in Budapest it will be forgotten.

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by kraftwerk

Well yes particularly in this case, there is not some conspiracy against Alonso, as some seem to suggest, it is just the manner in which it was done, and anyone with a dislike of Alonso this has only but fueled it.

Ferrari have not had the sporting interest in mind making that call, only there own interests, thats where the problem is IMO.

If Massa wins in Budapest it will be forgotten.

That would be poetic wouldn't it.

BTW I don't think there is anyone involved in F1 capable of pulling off a conspiracy, which I do find reassuring

F1 and the FIA have become such big bureaucracies that their primary function is churning out rules just to justify their own existence. Simplify, simplify. The solution to every problem is not another restriction.
Still waiting for Todt to make a difference.

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by kraftwerk

If Massa wins in Budapest it will be forgotten.

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

That would be poetic wouldn't it.

And furthering that it would be great if Massa punted Alonso off the track on the first lap in Hungary, then went on to win.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

>8^)
ER

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

And furthering that it would be great if Massa punted Alonso off the track on the first lap in Hungary, then went on to win.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

>8^)
ER

You had and go spoil the moment
Kumbaya

[Fast_ian]

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

...Still waiting for Todt to make a difference.

+1 He does seem alarmingly quiet right now - Hopefully he's "listening and learning" before stamping his personality onto this mess.....

Cheers,
Ian

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by Fast_ian

+1 He does seem alarmingly quiet right now - Hopefully he's "listening and learning" before stamping his personality onto this mess.....

Cheers,
Ian

I live in hope but that doesn't seem to be the the J.T. that we've come to know and dread.

[kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Fast_ian

+1 He does seem alarmingly quiet right now - Hopefully he's "listening and learning" before stamping his personality onto this mess.....

Cheers,
Ian

The day Mosley left, the FIA got 100% better, Todt has a lot to do to put it all right, I was sceptic of Todt at first I admit, yet to date IMO although it may not seem it as a Ferrari fan, it appears to be run in a fairer manner under the current rules, and that tells you alot!.

Todt is a thinker and he is some what distancing himself from the front line for a reason.

[kraftwerk]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

And furthering that it would be great if Massa punted Alonso off the track on the first lap in Hungary, then went on to win.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

>8^)
ER

Well it isn't the easiest of tracks to pass on IIRC.

Rob to Phil: "The eagle has landed, do you understand"..

[moretti]

Originally Posted by VIZSLA

So the issue isn't corruption but obvious corruption? We need a better class of cheaters?

`can you spell McLaren ??

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by moretti

`can you spell McLaren ??

Exactly!
The boys from Woking know how to get it done without needless embarrassment.
Too bad Chapman isn't around to show everyone how its done

[tifosi12]

Originally Posted by moretti

`can you spell McLaren ??

Right on.

I do have to say I'm puzzled at the amateurish display the team gave. Just give Massa some criptic code like "conserve fuel/the brakes/the engine".

Then again a little birdy tweeted that the amateurish approach might have been deliberate as a team reaction to a command from very high above...Those birds, what do they know?

[VIZSLA]

Originally Posted by tifosi12

Right on.

I do have to say I'm puzzled at the amateurish display the team gave. Just give Massa some criptic code like "conserve fuel/the brakes/the engine".

Then again a little birdy tweeted that the amateurish approach might have been deliberate as a team reaction to a command from very high above...Those birds, what do they know?

With any other team suggesting those Machiavellian machinations would be tin hat territory.
With Ferrari they're in keeping with an age old tradition

[patricko]

Originally Posted by tifosi12

Right on.

I do have to say I'm puzzled at the amateurish display the team gave. Just give Massa some criptic code like "conserve fuel/the brakes/the engine".

Then again a little birdy tweeted that the amateurish approach might have been deliberate as a team reaction to a command from very high above...Those birds, what do they know?

Are you suggesting that Ferrari wants to force the issue on team orders with the FIA? The Ferrari i have been watching for the last few years is nowhere near that intelligent.

I would love to believe it but I don't. Why did they go on to lie and lie and lie some more after the race? Are they trying to bring F1 in disrepute on purpose? That is not very smart is it? If they have done this on purpose a $100 million fine is the only answer, i am not sure if you are aware but there is a precedent.

[barbazza]

Originally Posted by tifosi12

Right on.

I do have to say I'm puzzled at the amateurish display the team gave. Just give Massa some criptic code like "conserve fuel/the brakes/the engine".

Then again a little birdy tweeted that the amateurish approach might have been deliberate as a team reaction to a command from very high above...Those birds, what do they know?

Command from very high above as in Santander? They seem to be running the show lately...